Marinus Jan Marijs 0104
Question: Is there a correspondence between the different levels of emptiness and those of form!
Marijs: Yes, basically these levels of emptiness, who have a background of subtle energies, when somebody experiences the emptiness of a level, lets say a nirvana on a high causal level, then he does not experience this fullness of energies, but the highest form of emptiness is nirvana and the highest form of Bhava is high causal Bhava, they are on the same level, so nirvana one experiences these emptiness of this level, in Bhava one experiences suddenly the energy, one feels the energy, it concentrates around a person and generates a light body, so it has space, it has form, it has colors, it has movement patterns. So the levels are the same.
It is not that there is a level beyond nirvana, no, there is some development, strong development of subtle energies on that level, which one could can experience in nirvana. So that is basically, the levels are the same. If you have 5 levels of emptiness, you have 5 levels of fullness. These are the same levels but of course they are experienced totally different. The point however is that in consciousness is the emptiness, so it is difficult to explain why but they are the same. In the consciousness is totally clear, of objects of forms or whatever, that’s the emptiness.
Question: So pure consciousness equals pure emptiness.
Marijs: Now of course there is a rather difficult question; what is the difference between the emptiness of nirvana and the emptiness of turiya. Because the remarkable thing with turiya , the non dual consciousness is that if you are in such a state you can not loose your conscious your body can go to sleep but you stay conscious, you can loose consciousness but then you are out of turiya but as long as you are in turiya you are conscious, that can be days weeks or whatever unbroken, so it is rather difficult how this consciousness the difference between consciousness of nirvana and the consciousness of turiya. The emptiness is the consciousness , if the consciousness is without objects you have this total emptiness.
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